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bytor
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| babse wrote: | | bytor wrote: |
2. Begin the clear coating process. Spray on 4-5 coats, then wet sand with 600-grit wet/dry sandpaper.
3. Spray on another 3-4 coats, and repeat the wet sanding with 600-grit paper. Try to get the surface nice and flat.
4. Spray on another coat or two, and wet sand with 1000-grit paper.
5. Spray on another coat or two, and wet sand with 1500-grit paper.
6. Spray on a final coat, and wet sand very lightly with 2000-grit paper.
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Bytor, keep in mind that if you're wet sanding, the grit differs from dry-sanding. 500-grit, used wet is the same as 1000-grit, used dry.
So the 1000, 1500, 2000-grit should be replaced by WET 500, 750, 1000-grit.
Wet-sanding prevents scratching and dust. |
Actually, the paper I'm talking about can be used wet OR dry. So, when I say "wet sand with 1000-grit paper", I'm using 1000-grit wet/dry sandpaper soaked in water with a few drops of dish soap mixed in. The soap makes the water slightly slicker to allow for smoother sanding and prevent clogging of the sandpaper. |
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babse
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Joined: 22 Jun 2004
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Location: Belgium
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| bytor wrote: |
Actually, the paper I'm talking about can be used wet OR dry. So, when I say "wet sand with 1000-grit paper", I'm using 1000-grit wet/dry sandpaper soaked in water with a few drops of dish soap mixed in. The soap makes the water slightly slicker to allow for smoother sanding and prevent clogging of the sandpaper. |
Yes, I figured you meant that.
What I was trying to say is that 1000-grit (wet) is the equivalent of using 500-grit (dry).
Sorry, I have trouble explaining this in English.
If a producent of paint says 'you have to use 500-grit paper between each layer' you can either buy a 500-grit or a 1000-grit paper. With 500 used dry, the 1000 used wet.
Also, for the best results, use several kinds of papers, with intervals of max 200-grit. (so start wit 120, than 200, 400, 600,...)
About the soap is a good hint, I didn't know that.
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karan733
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Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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Location: Derby, UK
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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excuse me, can someone please explain wet and dry sanding?  what do they mean?
also, whats the difference between 500 dry and 1000 wet for noobs like me who are new to this whole customising drums thing?!
thanks 
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| Quote: | | Guys, i bought a tama starclassic about 6 months ago. iT sounds like the living dead. i put all new heads on, remo pinstripe for tommys, and powerstroker for foot drum. It sounds bad. Toms are all ringy and yo. Bass drum is spooshy. HElp mE! |
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bytor
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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The numbers refer to the grit coarseness. A higher number is less coarse (finer) than a low number grit.
Dry sanding is just that: you take a piece of sandpaper and start sanding. Wet sanding is typically something you do when using finer grit papers (600 and above, usually) to keep the paper from clogging -- fine grit papers clog very quickly when dry sanding.
Wet sanding consists of soaking the sandpaper, which must be labeled as suitable for wet sanding, in water and keeping the material wet as you sand. It helps to put a few drops of liquid soap in the water, as well, just to keep the paper slightly slick and the grit free of particles, as I already mentioned. Wet sanding is something you do when you're shooting for a really smooth finish, such as when building fine furniture, musical instruments, or clear coating a vehicle, for example. When I build a drum, I typically wet sand incrementally up to 2000 grit for a really smooth finish. |
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karan733
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Location: Derby, UK
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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okay, thank you
following on from that, what effect does sanding in so many stages have on a drum that has been stripped of its wrap? surely you are thinning the head by sanding say, an 1/8 or 1/6 of the drum thickness - how can you determine what effect this is going to have on the tone of the shell?
sorry to be buggy about this, its just something id like to do. but id also like to plan it out first, as i have no money to replace things once i *Male Rooster* up
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| Quote: | | Guys, i bought a tama starclassic about 6 months ago. iT sounds like the living dead. i put all new heads on, remo pinstripe for tommys, and powerstroker for foot drum. It sounds bad. Toms are all ringy and yo. Bass drum is spooshy. HElp mE! |
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bytor
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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You won't take that much material off of the shell. After you remove the wrap, you'll dry sand the bare wood to about 600 grit -- don't wet sand bare wood. Get the shell good and smooth first with something like 150-200 grit, then move up to 400 and 600 -- all dry. The bare shell should be very smooth at this point. After that, you do your staining (if you choose to stain it), and start clear coating.
After you are into the clear coating, the only thing you're removing from the drum is lacquer (or whatever you're using as a clear coat) as you sand in between coats. In addition, the clear coat sanding is done lightly. You don't want to sand through the clear coat to the bare wood when sanding between coats. This takes a light touch. Take your time and be patient. I described the clear coating process above. |
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karan733
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Location: Derby, UK
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| bytor wrote: | | I described the clear coating process above. |
yup, i noticed in the earlier posts in the thread though i might come and find you in a while and ask you to talk me through a few things again, once i know some more of the finer details 
thanks, its been very helpful!
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| Quote: | | Guys, i bought a tama starclassic about 6 months ago. iT sounds like the living dead. i put all new heads on, remo pinstripe for tommys, and powerstroker for foot drum. It sounds bad. Toms are all ringy and yo. Bass drum is spooshy. HElp mE! |
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bytor
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| You're most welcome. Good luck. |
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funki_chunki
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Joined: 06 Oct 2006
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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wow so much quality info in thtis thread.
so glad i found this site. u r all life savers  |
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earthquake
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Good stuff...you guys rock! |
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tizzdizz
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Location: Campbell, California
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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man, re-reading this post makes me want to do more of this stuff. I want more drums to play with.
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funki_chunki
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Location: Australia
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| tizzdizz wrote: | | dude, that superstar kit is one of the most amazing kits I've seen in a while. It's complete, and fully functional I'm sure. What an undertaking! |
wow i recon!
wow how huge is it!!
aweosme work! |
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SketcHyRollin564
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Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Location: South FL
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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tizzdizz, i say you re do the finishing on your drums in somthin similar to the regal royal fade on the pdp LX kits
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or you can re do them in blue to black like the drums in my sig
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funki_chunki
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| SketcHyRollin564 wrote: | tizzdizz, i say you re do the finishing on your drums in somthin similar to the regal royal fade on the pdp LX kits
or you can re do them in blue to black like the drums in my sig |
hevr miss a chance to show em off |
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SketcHyRollin564
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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what can i say, i have a thing for blue drums
but that regal royal fade on the LX has been my favorite finish since PDP first came out with it. ive been in love with it, and i freaked out the day i saw it in person at guitar center. I spent litearly 7 minutes ignoring my dad say "come on, lets go" just staring at the kit. Looks 10 times better in person
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