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Crispy1513
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 Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Matching drum with guitar... |
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I could really use some tips on how to match drum beats with guitar. When ever I listen to cd's, the drums always just flow with the guitar, and I try so hard in my band to make them match but I just can't do it. If anyone can tell me how to develop this important skill, I'd love to know how!
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sbowman128675
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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i dont really understand you're problem, it sounds like you have trouble either reading music, or keeping time.
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edgewood_drummer92
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Really you just have to match it with what sounds good to you. There are some songs, such as Iron Man by Black Sabbath, that I have revised into some of my own beats because it sounds better to me that way. It's really just a matter of what sounds good to you. If it don't flow, there's the possibility it's your drumming or the guitarists playing, but if it's not then its not gonna flow. Hope this helps
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Crispy1513
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| sbowman128675 wrote: | | i dont really understand you're problem, it sounds like you have trouble either reading music, or keeping time. |
What I mean is that, when you listen to a song the drums beat, fills, cymbals, they all match the guitar and almost sound like the guitar. Hope this helps, its really hard to explain... |
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dunomous
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Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Matching drum with guitar... |
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| Crispy1513 wrote: | I could really use some tips on how to match drum beats with guitar. When ever I listen to cd's, the drums always just flow with the guitar, and I try so hard in my band to make them match but I just can't do it. If anyone can tell me how to develop this important skill, I'd love to know how!
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For the most part, this really just comes with experience. The skill of being able to keep a beat and listen at the same time is a key one, but also you'll eventually get the feel of who you're playing with and what they're playing. Rudiments and practice are there to allow you to play what you're thinking (or needing) when it needs to be played.
If you're more on the beginners side of the spectrum, I would start out just keeping a simple, rock solid, beat for the song. Over time you can add more feels (slight mixtures in the beat) and different fills in the song.
Aside from this, you may want to stick to listening and playing with the bass guitar. There's a joke that goes:
| Quote: | Q: Why is there a bass guitar in a Jazz (or really any) band?
A: To translate for the drummer! |
We may giggle a little at how pathetic that joke is, but it can be partially true for core components of the song if you're somewhat new to it and need it.
So! Keep confidence and a discreet ear. You'll get the hang of it and will soon make your bandmates very excited to have you as their drummer.
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sfauts
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Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Essentially other instruments should be following the drums, as the drummer is there to keep time. |
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Rasta
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Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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Location: Minnesota
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| sfauts wrote: | | Essentially other instruments should be following the drums, as the drummer is there to keep time. |
That's the mechanics of rock, but not jazz. The bass keeps time in jazz.
I would suggest trying to pay attention to your fav drummers. Listen for what they do, then try to figure out WHY.
Most of it does come from experience. It's about the FEEL of the music. The drums play a crucial role in the overall FEEL. You want to make a FEEL that is compatible to the guitar riff.
You can vary feel a great deal depending on what you do. You will notice you are doing something right, when it just "clicks".
At the beginning, do keep it simple, and your ear should be your guide. Drums are a COMPLIMENTORY instrument and should always follow an idea/ phrase. |
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sfauts
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta wrote: | | sfauts wrote: | | Essentially other instruments should be following the drums, as the drummer is there to keep time. |
That's the mechanics of rock, but not jazz. The bass keeps time in jazz.
I would suggest trying to pay attention to your fav drummers. Listen for what they do, then try to figure out WHY.
Most of it does come from experience. It's about the FEEL of the music. The drums play a crucial role in the overall FEEL. You want to make a FEEL that is compatible to the guitar riff.
You can vary feel a great deal depending on what you do. You will notice you are doing something right, when it just "clicks".
At the beginning, do keep it simple, and your ear should be your guide. Drums are a COMPLIMENTORY instrument and should always follow an idea/ phrase. |
Point taken..
However he's talking about his band a guitar.
He's not talking about Jazz |
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Rasta
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| sfauts wrote: | | Rasta wrote: | | sfauts wrote: | | Essentially other instruments should be following the drums, as the drummer is there to keep time. |
That's the mechanics of rock, but not jazz. The bass keeps time in jazz.
I would suggest trying to pay attention to your fav drummers. Listen for what they do, then try to figure out WHY.
Most of it does come from experience. It's about the FEEL of the music. The drums play a crucial role in the overall FEEL. You want to make a FEEL that is compatible to the guitar riff.
You can vary feel a great deal depending on what you do. You will notice you are doing something right, when it just "clicks".
At the beginning, do keep it simple, and your ear should be your guide. Drums are a COMPLIMENTORY instrument and should always follow an idea/ phrase. |
Point taken..
However he's talking about his band a guitar.
He's not talking about Jazz |
Most likely you are right. Though he doesn't specify. The fact that there is a guitarist in the band doesn't say much by itself. I happen to know a jazz band that utilizes guitar, bass, and drums.
I just tend to avoid making blanket statements that aren't exclusively true.
Drummers tend to have the most practise with solid tempo, but if there is a person in the band that has better tempo, they should be the timekeeper. This should always be true, regardless of genre. |
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Saurencaerthai
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Crispy1513 wrote: | | sbowman128675 wrote: | | i dont really understand you're problem, it sounds like you have trouble either reading music, or keeping time. |
What I mean is that, when you listen to a song the drums beat, fills, cymbals, they all match the guitar and almost sound like the guitar. Hope this helps, its really hard to explain... |
Listen closely to a ton of music, practice a lot, and play with a lot of musicians. It's all a language and eventually you'll get it down.
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sbowman128675
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well, it don't really matter if the guitar match the drums..have you not heard of prog rock? take for example, if u were doing a 4/4 rock beat, and the guitar was doing a triplet pattern, it would be OFF time. but in the sense of theory, it wouldn't, cause its considered a 3 on 4 rhythm.
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Drumgeek
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| Playing along with other insruments is all feel. Try to play what "feels right" with the song. ALso knowing the style of your band members helps. I have been playing with my band for so long we all know what we are going to do a couple measures before we do it, it's like we are reading eachothers mind, it's cool. |
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tylerdrummer
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Joined: 22 Jun 2007
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Location: California, F
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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well like if theres an accent, the ride bell or cup slash can always do good (open hh) and like if the bass line changes then u should if u wanna sound great, if guitar changes change the drum part and intros to new measures of different rythem always use crashes and crap idk if u listen to tool watch how if the drummer does a rool or an accence or anything like it then the bassist does it with him and i belivie that it a absolutly great thing if the bass and drums match perfectly
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DrumHead
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Location: Apex, North Carolina
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All the comments about feel are right on the money. But to be more specific, there are two basic approaches. I may not have the terminology exactly correct, but its either syncopation where you are hitting notes at the same time as some other instrument - in this case guitar, OR a backbeat where you are providing a solid base. For concrete examples of different "feels", listen to "Clocks" by Coldplay, or "Fell on Black Days" by Soundgarden (listen to the HH) for syncopation, and "Highway to Hell" or anything by AC/DC for a backbeat. Then you have music like Tool which has a combo of the two (and more) to make it real interesting - Eulogy comes to mind for syncopation - listen to the toms along with the muted guitar. The backbeat stuff has a feel that is very easy to dance to, it just drives forward - while syncopated stuff is a little more cerebral in most cases.
IMO it is VERY important to get this right. Not to say you have to think about it too much if you have a natural feel and the experience to do what's best. But if you go trying to follow the guitar on an AC/DC-like or funk song you will be accused of "overplaying".
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UCLAbruin21
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Location: Norfolk, VA
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First, can you play the songs you want to play IN TIME? if so, can your guitar player? I have played with a bunch of guitar players that can play a bazillion note fill, but cannot play a simple blues progression IN TIME because they have NEVER practiced with a metronome. Such is my current situation...I plat with a rhythm guitar player who has no inherent sense of rhythm.
When everyone is off practicing by themselves, get them to practice to a metronome or clicktrack (you too).
After a while, when you get together to rehurse, it should start sounding better.
good timing begets confidence. Bob |
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