Obama Vs. McCain

drumminelsewhere · Moderator Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 3699

ok folks, enough is enough. Time to get some a decent deep discussion on.

So lets here it, OBAMA!!!!!!!! OR McCAIN!?

Obama

Nationalized Healthcare
Higher taxes for the "rich"
No Drilling
Alternative Fuels
Diplomacy no war (although his stance on that has changed.

McCain
No Nation Healthcare
Bush Cuts Renewed
Drilling + Alternative Fuels
Lets Nuke Everyone.

So who are you voting for?
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random white person · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject:

of the two, i'd pick obama. regardless of his views, i feel like he is a genuinely decent guy and i'd be happy to have him as the face of our nation. he's young and (hopefully) hasn't been tainted by a life of politics.

on the other hand, and i'll be frank... john mccain is older than the hills, and is a blatant racist. even if i was a staunch republican voter, i'm not sure if i could support someone who, regardless of his views in private, feels that it is acceptable to make public comments using racial slurs. while i respect his military service and sacrifice for our country, i respect little else about him.
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tylerdrummer · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject:

i love how, its a little biased towards obama, specailly wth letd nuke everyone.
Nationalizing healthcare doesnt semm god, if you think of it as this
yes its is nice, but the people that pay taaxes are paying taxes for people that dont belong in the country(illeagal aliens).
Drilling offshore isnt good because that will affect our beach, but itd would be good to have gas go down, or find an alternitive fuel
No war, no matter what all the beatle hippy lovers there are, we are never going to live with out war, its life(and death), im not saying we should send more people in but saying theres going to be no war is *Holy Cow Pud, Batman*, we could be pansieys and not fight back, but then we going to be known as the worlds whipping boy, we need to defend ourselves, but i think some of it is overdone a little.
i cant vote, which is good cause i dont think i even would try, McCain is a POW and is a hero, with some very demo. views, and obama thinks everythings flowers, and i think either way, whoever wins, i think people are going to hate him because hes going to change his views a year into office.

thats the childs thoughts Smile

007david · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject:

I've been for obama since 2004, so, yeah, it's clear how I'd go.
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sbowman128675 · Growing Lion Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 880

obama....nuff said
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Hey David, aren't you a registered candidate for this election? Laughing

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styles2281 · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:49 am Post subject:

drumminelsewhere · Moderator Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 3699

styles2281 · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:24 am Post subject:

drumminelsewhere · Moderator Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 3699

Why styles why oh why oh why.

Trust me I'm not a McCain supporter but dag...obama? *Dies*
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Exzilibus · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:26 am Post subject:

Regardless of who wins, I'll just be glad to have a president who can complete a full sentence and at least SEEM like there is some sort of intelligent thought going on in that head while saying it....AND someone who can talk about negative things like war & death WITHOUT smiling the whole time.

I'm voting for Obama btw. I agree with Styles that McCain would just be another Bush and I'm beyond unhappy with that.
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phantompong · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:35 am Post subject:

It's your country and many issues in this election are domestic, so I'm going to refrain from commenting too much, but it's interesting to note that most of my friends here were hoping for Clinton. The reasons, I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
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random white person · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:52 am Post subject:

the way i see it, each candidate has their flaws. if for the sake of discussion, we put them both on a level playing field, i would personally like obama better simply because he's younger and more energetic and (i know its corny since its like his new campaign mantra) more apt to bring about some sort of change in our country. honestly, i dont care if he's a major f***up in office. at this point, i'd simply be happy with something different. i don't know if i would even vote for him, but i'm sure i wouldn't vote for mccain.

now simply for discussion, not to agree or disagree with any points made...

i'm kind of intrigued by the idea of national healthcare. yes, it raises taxes through the roof. yes, it would probably be mangled and bastardized and end up being worse than HMO's if our government tried to pull it off. but, i like the idea of a country saying, "you know what. we're for the most part very well off. health care should be a right, not a privilege."

on the topic of gas prices and drilling for oil and all that jazz. it seems like when people ask "hey, why are oil and gas prices skyrocketing?" the response is "the middle east is unstable, and keeps raising prices and producing less oil! we have a shortage!" strangely enough, we currently import just over 50% of our crude oil (slightly higher percentage of petroleum) from canada and central/south america. imports from the middle east are essentially equal to imports from africa at 24%. i'm not saying that there isn't a shortage or that import prices aren't goin up, but the fact that the finger is being pointed in what seems to be every which direction but the right one leads me to think that the wool is being pulled over our eyes. this does not seem like the gas shortages of the 70s/80s where OPEC basically had a stranglehold on us. it seems like oil companies have gotten wise and realized that they have a resource with apparently inelastic demand, and can raise the prices as they see fit.
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Rasta · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:58 am Post subject:

I'll vote for Obama. I completely agree with Styles.
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random white person · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:24 am Post subject:

interesting, somewhat related article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html

summary:
- john mccain was born in the panama canal zone in 1936.
- the only way to become a naturalized US citizen is to be born in the US, or be covered by a congressional law making you a citizen at the time of your birth.
- a series of early 20th century cases established that "unincorporated territories" were not part of the US for constitutional purposes. panama fell into this category.
- at the time of mccain's birth the law was that citizenship was granted to those born to american parents outside the "limits and jurisdiction" of the US. while Panama was literally and legally outside the limits of the US, it was not outside of jurisdiction.
- therefore, John McCain is technically not a naturalized citizen of the united states because of a clause created by the wording of these congressional acts, and is not eligible to be president according to the constitution.

obviously, no court is going to uphold this and the law professor who figured this out did it mostly just for the sake of discussion. it has also been widely accepted that McCain is eligible based on his birthplace, and his parents military service to the country.
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