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ChristianDrummer
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Getting good snare sound. Reply with quote

I'm pretty new to drum tuning and such.

I bought a new little practice set. I'm pretty happy with it for it to be so cheap. Except for the snare, it sounds way too "poppy" and high pitched for my taste. I've tried tuning down a bit but it doesn't do much, and is still too poppy. Will muffling help? I found a remo O ring helped a bit but it's still not how I like it. Would duct tape do the trick? Any specific way I should tune the reso head? I haven't messed with it much. I'd like to avoid buying a new head for a while.

To give you an idea of the snare sound I want:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szPT-QPTg-g&NR=1

(Skip to about 35 secs to when he switches to snare)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the higher pitches of a drum tend to come from the outer edge of the head, so putting a little bit of tape/moongel/other muffling can help to deaden any ringyness you may be hearing.

also, its surprising how different a drum will sound when you're sitting right on top of it, as opposed to hearing it several feet away as an audience would. sit across the room from your drums, and have someone play the drum a little for you and see if it sounds better/worse/different. a lot of times high pitched, ringy tones get drowned out and never make it far enough for anyone else to hear them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I had my brother play while I was halfway accross the house and indeed, it takes care of the ringing, and only the snare sound is there, but it still sounds too poppy and high pitched. Any solutions to this?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm. try detuning both heads, and tune them up just tight enough so the drum is actually playable. then tune up in small increments until you get an acceptable sound, that hopefully isn't too poppy.

if you just cant get it tuned right, maybe try out a new batter head. a two ply head (Evans G2, Remo Emperor, Aquarian Response II) would give you more of a "thwack" than a pop, i imagine, and hopefully wont sound muffled or muddy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loosen the top head, and if you want that tight sound tighten the reso head also. Just mess around with it and you'll find the sound. What kind of a kit did you get? Did you replace the stock heads?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's probably the problem, i'll need a new head.

I'll have to make a trip out of town to get one though, i'm thinking Evans Genera G2 Coated.

Edit: Tried detuning the batter head down a half turn or two. Now, if I don't hit the snare hard enough, I get the snare "tom" sound that you get when the snares aren't on. The snare wires are on and tight though....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnotherBeginner wrote:

Edit: Tried detuning the batter head down a half turn or two. Now, if I don't hit the snare hard enough, I get the snare "tom" sound that you get when the snares aren't on. The snare wires are on and tight though....


make sure the heads are in tune with each other. if you change one head more than just a little bit and leave the other one, you can get some weird effects... on a snare, you can lose the response and sensitivity from the snares. on toms, you can get a really dead sound or a pitch that literally "bounces" back and forth between that of the top and bottom head.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i find tunning the reso fairly tight, then just tuning the head till it gets a nice feel to it works for me.

and if your looknig for the best heads, use genera, there the best!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnotherBeginner wrote:
That's probably the problem, i'll need a new head.

I'll have to make a trip out of town to get one though, i'm thinking Evans Genera G2 Coated.

Edit: Tried detuning the batter head down a half turn or two. Now, if I don't hit the snare hard enough, I get the snare "tom" sound that you get when the snares aren't on. The snare wires are on and tight though....
No matter the tuning, your snares should make noise even on the softest of notes, no matter the tuning. You've got them choked too much.

If you must run your snare wires that tight to make them lay flat, your snares need replacing.

The snare wires should lay flat BEFORE they are under tension, then you only need tighten them for tone, not to stretch them flat.

Every snare drum has a different tone, the one you are messing with just may be the kind of drum that sounds "poppy" and there will be a time where you won't change the actual attributes of the drum.

What it was designed to sound like is what it will sound like, ya know? If you want a Ford, don't drive a Chevy.
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