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CAPTORofSIN
King of the Jungle
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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Location: Lousy So Cal.
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 Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: Urine or You're Out |
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This really has nothing to do with drumming at all.....I just thought it was a great email I had received here at work and thought I'd share it with ya'll....
Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their @ss doing drugs, while I work. Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
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earthquake
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Location: too close to canada
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I got this as a text message a while back...couldn't agree more...our welfare system is a joke... i.e. my fiance and I just had a baby, and while things were tight before, they're even worse now. So we went in to check into some housing assistance...(which I am very reluctant to do, but finally decided to be a little more humble) We were basically told that the only way we would qualify would be for her to quit her job, or I would have to move out... It makes me sick to think that there are people like us who work hard and struggle to make ends meet, while some tool is sitting on a couch, hitting the crack pipe and collecting money from the government.... /rant
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bytor
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Location: Kansas
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like a plan to me. |
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Exzilibus
Labrador
Joined: 01 May 2004
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Location: Suffern, New York
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gdawson44
Lion King
Joined: 04 Dec 2002
Posts: 1016
Location: Atlanta
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Urine or You're Out |
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| CAPTORofSIN wrote: | | Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? |
They would spend more on drug testing kits and laboratories than they would save, plus the government is subject to Constitutional restrictions that would make testing free citizens highly problematic.
Imagine how much money the state would save by decriminalizing "drugs", preventing hundreds of billions of our dollars going to corrupt cartels and saving even more hundreds of billions on incarcerating non-violent "offenders" for mere possession. This "war on drugs" has been the costliest and most inept domestic government endeavor in the history of mankind and it's amazing to me that anyone still supports it. |
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styles2281
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Location: Manchester, CT
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| bytor wrote: | | Sounds like a plan to me. |
precisely what I would say.
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phantompong
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Joined: 30 Jul 2005
Posts: 942
Location: on the side of the world
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Urine or You're Out |
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| gdawson44 wrote: | | CAPTORofSIN wrote: | | Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? |
They would spend more on drug testing kits and laboratories than they would save, plus the government is subject to Constitutional restrictions that would make testing free citizens highly problematic.
Imagine how much money the state would save by decriminalizing "drugs", preventing hundreds of billions of our dollars going to corrupt cartels and saving even more hundreds of billions on incarcerating non-violent "offenders" for mere possession. This "war on drugs" has been the costliest and most inept domestic government endeavor in the history of mankind and it's amazing to me that anyone still supports it. |
Firstly, as always, remember I'm discussing this from the perspective of a completely different culture and a country with singularly unique governance. I'm not mainland Chinese but there is a certain stigma to the idea of liberalising drug use here partly because of the Opium War, and partly due to prior experiences with widespread drug use (we're a small country and any sort of social problem has a drastically amplified effect, especially on foreign investment and on our economy).
I don't think it would cost that much. We're not talking about doping in sports, where the labs have to stay one step ahead of the dopers and test even things like Viagra, or figure out blood tests. We're talking about marijuana, weed, Special K, ice, ecstasy, recreational drugs, where urine tests already exist and testing procedures are well established.
I can't say how much your government would actually save if drug possession were to be decriminalised. How many people, who wouldn't try drugs otherwise, would try drugs just because they are not banned? How does it affect the efficiency of your economy? (The answer in Singapore is, a great deal.) And even if it were decriminalised, drug use/possession realistically still needs to be controlled by other means. How would you tax it? How would you control the supply of drugs? Maybe you have an answer, but I can't see any.
The biggest issue, as I see it, would be dealing with the people who fail the test. They still have to eat, still need a roof over their heads. You can't leave them out in the streets for dead. Either way, taxpayers' money still goes to supporting them, whether in or out of rehabilitation.
I don't know either what the image of doing drugs is in the US. My friends who are currently in US colleges bemoan the fact that they can't go to a party that doesn't involve weed. In Singapore recreational drugs tend to be frowned upon (not to mention illegal) so even if you go to a club and offer someone ecstasy, odds are they won't take it. (Funnily enough, the scene I hear has the most recreational drugs is the international school students' scene). But if it's seen as no big deal in the US, surely that's the fundamental issue in the fight against drugs.
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styles2281
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Joined: 23 Feb 2004
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Location: Manchester, CT
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Urine or You're Out |
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| gdawson44 wrote: | | CAPTORofSIN wrote: | | Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? |
They would spend more on drug testing kits and laboratories than they would save, plus the government is subject to Constitutional restrictions that would make testing free citizens highly problematic.
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Not really. I WORK for the government and I still have to take a Piss test. You just have them sign a document stating that if they want Welfare, they have to take a piss test.
The money they'd save by either NOT issueing welfare (to those who won't TAKE the test) and to those who FAIL it would probably balance out the money they'd lose in administering them. They're really not that hard to administer and the government ALREADY has agencies that do the testing, so it's not like they'd have to open all new places or organizations. The systems are in place...they'd just being doing more work.
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Bish
King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: Re: Urine or You're Out |
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| styles2281 wrote: | | The systems are in place...they'd just being doing more work. |
And that would make the day go faster so you could get home seemingly sooner to start partying. 
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styles2281
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Urine or You're Out |
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| Bish wrote: | | styles2281 wrote: | | The systems are in place...they'd just being doing more work. |
And that would make the day go faster so you could get home seemingly sooner to start partying. |
Exactly.
HAHAHA...
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gdawson44
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Joined: 04 Dec 2002
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Location: Atlanta
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Urine or You're Out |
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| styles2281 wrote: | | gdawson44 wrote: | | CAPTORofSIN wrote: | | Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? |
They would spend more on drug testing kits and laboratories than they would save, plus the government is subject to Constitutional restrictions that would make testing free citizens highly problematic.
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Not really. I WORK for the government and I still have to take a Piss test. You just have them sign a document stating that if they want Welfare, they have to take a piss test.
That's where you end up with some constitutional violations.
The money they'd save by either NOT issueing welfare (to those who won't TAKE the test) and to those who FAIL it would probably balance out the money they'd lose in administering them. They're really not that hard to administer and the government ALREADY has agencies that do the testing, so it's not like they'd have to open all new places or organizations. The systems are in place...they'd just being doing more work.
How about if America finally spent less of our tax money on the futile effort of "fighting drugs" and focused on freedom for its citizens instead? Spending billions of tax dollars on government's distrust of its own citizens to maybe save thousands on a financial relief program is the kind of typical Washington myopia that we finally need to abandon.
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gigeoffro
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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Location: Cockeysville, Md
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Urine or You're Out |
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| gdawson44 wrote: | | styles2281 wrote: | | gdawson44 wrote: | | CAPTORofSIN wrote: | | Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? |
They would spend more on drug testing kits and laboratories than they would save, plus the government is subject to Constitutional restrictions that would make testing free citizens highly problematic.
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Not really. I WORK for the government and I still have to take a Piss test. You just have them sign a document stating that if they want Welfare, they have to take a piss test.
That's where you end up with some constitutional violations.
The money they'd save by either NOT issueing welfare (to those who won't TAKE the test) and to those who FAIL it would probably balance out the money they'd lose in administering them. They're really not that hard to administer and the government ALREADY has agencies that do the testing, so it's not like they'd have to open all new places or organizations. The systems are in place...they'd just being doing more work.
How about if America finally spent less of our tax money on the futile effort of "fighting drugs" and focused on freedom for its citizens instead? Spending billions of tax dollars on government's distrust of its own citizens to maybe save thousands on a financial relief program is the kind of typical Washington myopia that we finally need to abandon.
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sounds to me like someone is a dope smoking welfare abuser (j/k).
I personally think this is a good idea. I don't have a problem with someone that smokes pot or what ever but I do have a problem with someone thats going to take tax payer money and buy drugs with it or just plain out be lazy and still collect a check. Just stop smoking, injecting or snorting what ever the hell your doing until you get a job. I can only see positives from this.
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Layke
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This is an amazing insight. It's up there with the fact that war vet's that are 18-20 years of age, armless and whatnot from IED's, can't buy a drink at a bar. In small doses, you can have some fun with the effects of you body. Alcohol, pot, it will loosen you up, but there's always a time and a place. Meth addicts, hard chemicals, those are the addicts that don't have the brain/will/what have you to see that even the government will support their drug habbits, and they may or may not feel guilty of it. In the end, even if god can't help them, all they will have is themselves, and that's a huge realization for self improvement.
If you don't do drugs, and have to face a urine test, you should have nothing to complain about, albeit, your money does go to destructive addiction, but even then, drug addicts need money to survive. They may get $300, 200 of it goes to ______, 100 goes to food. They do eat. Sometimes (crackheads). I smoke a lot of pot, I don't drink, but I would never take welfare money and buy it, I'd feel like an a-hole. When you start hard chemicals, you deplete your ability to feel this way, guilty. I know you're not on the complaining end, more on the helping end. If they weren't given money for drugs, many would steal and sell for money. We're all about the cheap quality, don't deny it. Think of your urine test more of a motivation, to keep you from hard chemicals. Be thankfull you actually feel this way, many can't. |
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