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Heath Childers
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Joined: 19 Feb 2004
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Location: bham, alabama
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 Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:22 am Post subject: dw exspensive? |
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| I don't really get why people say dw is so expensive. I have seen new 5 piece kits with 5000 series hardware for around $2500. Yea, thats alot of money, but for a top line kit, not really. Pork pie, spaun, and ocdp are more exspensive than that. I also saw a premier series maple 5-piece for over $3000. Also, Tama starclassic maple is more exspensive than that from what i have seen in stores. Prices vary from town to town i know, but this is just what i have seen. |
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holycow
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Location: San Diego, Cali
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:20 am Post subject: Re: dw exspensive? |
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| Heath Childers wrote: | | I don't really get why people say dw is so expensive. I have seen new 5 piece kits with 5000 series hardware for around $2500. Yea, thats alot of money, but for a top line kit, not really. Pork pie, spaun, and ocdp are more exspensive than that. I also saw a premier series maple 5-piece for over $3000. Also, Tama starclassic maple is more exspensive than that from what i have seen in stores. Prices vary from town to town i know, but this is just what i have seen. |
You are right. Most people go around (many on this board) exclaiming how expensive DW kits are, but if you stick them up against the same level kits from lets say sonar, gretch, or yamaha, they cost roughly the same price. They might be a few hundred dollars more, but heck, when you are shelling out 3k for a new kit, what is a couple hundred bucks. |
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Zildjian!
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Joined: 17 Jan 2004
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Location: Massachusetts
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I have never argued that DW is "too expensive" per se. It's just that, like Gibson guitars, there's a lot of stuff, like the beautiful finishes, that helps to increase the price. And not everyone cares about the finish of their drums. For someone like me, who'd play a kit that was made out of garbage cans if it SOUNDED great, DW seems a little expensive. However, if the looks of your drum set and the fact that it wasn't made somewhere in Asia matter to you (which is fine --) then great.
Anyone is free to disagree with me on this, but I think that a lot of the people who complain about DW being too expensive feel this way. Just thought I'd try to clear things up a bit 
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holycow
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Zildjian! wrote: | I have never argued that DW is "too expensive" per se. It's just that, like Gibson guitars, there's a lot of stuff, like the beautiful finishes, that helps to increase the price. And not everyone cares about the finish of their drums. For someone like me, who'd play a kit that was made out of garbage cans if it SOUNDED great, DW seems a little expensive. However, if the looks of your drum set and the fact that it wasn't made somewhere in Asia matter to you (which is fine --) then great.
Anyone is free to disagree with me on this, but I think that a lot of the people who complain about DW being too expensive feel this way. Just thought I'd try to clear things up a bit |
My point is that you are wrong looking at the facts. Here is an example: Take 3 manufacters, call them DW, Gretch, and Yamaha. Grab the 5 basic shells (8,10,14,16,22kik) from their "top of the lign" series and lign them up side by side and you will see their prices are about identical. |
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Zildjian!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Right. I agree with you on that. But the point I was trying to make, although I guess I didn't make it that well is that those "other companies" usually offer kits that aren't as fancy that sound very nearly as good if not as good as the more expensive ones. DW just has one level, so to speak.
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holycow
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Joined: 14 Nov 2003
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Location: San Diego, Cali
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Zildjian! wrote: | | Right. I agree with you on that. But the point I was trying to make, although I guess I didn't make it that well is that those "other companies" usually offer kits that aren't as fancy that sound very nearly as good if not as good as the more expensive ones. DW just has one level, so to speak. |
wrong again.. DW has 3 lines of drums, one priced high, one priced medium, and one priced fairly low.
However, I no longer see that they make the middle line drums. These were similar to the collectors series drums, but they didnt have the reinforced wood hoops inside the shells, and some other small differences. Then they have their pacific line. |
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Zildjian!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I see the confusion. I was referring just to DW, not any of their offshoot/budget companies.
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holycow
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Zildjian! wrote: | | Oh, I see the confusion. I was referring just to DW, not any of their offshoot/budget companies. |
I was referring to just DW also. It would be silly to compare the top of the line DW kit, to the middle or bottom of the line tama/pearl or whatever, and say "geez.. DWs are sooo dang expensive".
You have to compare apples to apples. If you do that, one would compare the DW collectors series, to the equivalent "level" of any other manufacterer. The fact is, that 50% of the other manufacturers top of the line kits cost JUST as much.. DW really isn't any more expensive. |
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Zildjian!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, I'm tired of arguing. Case closed 
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noodle4u
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Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| I find exception in the argument that DW's are equally priced with the other major drums companies. In many cases, looking for kits, and prices, I would say that the "other" companies more often have hardware deals attached to purchases, whereas, DW's are awesome drums, but whats the point when I can buy what would seemingly be a set of equal quality from any of the other companies, with pedals, and stands included. Don't get me wrong, if I had the money I would absolutely buy a cutsom...truly custom, and not necesarily a DW, kit. I've looked around at prices, and for a six peice shell kit from DW, it was something like four large, and a Yamaha Maple custom(six) it was more than five hundred less, including hardware. What do you all think of Orange County or U-drums. They charge just as much as Pork Pie, but it seems to me that the only thing that they do is cover shells, poke holes in the kick skin, and do some sort of offset lug configuration. Yet, at the moment, I would go with them, just because they have a personal investment in customers and cater to needs, more so than any other company out there today. DW's are great, and are the standard for which all drums are now forced to be measured against. The smaller companies that have emerged from this high end, cutsom market are simply more concerned with whoever is gong to shell out 5 grand for a kit. DW, it would seem to me, has lost that along the way. |
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styles2281
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Joined: 23 Feb 2004
Posts: 6717
Location: Manchester, CT
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject: Pacific |
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| holycow wrote: | | Zildjian! wrote: | | Right. I agree with you on that. But the point I was trying to make, although I guess I didn't make it that well is that those "other companies" usually offer kits that aren't as fancy that sound very nearly as good if not as good as the more expensive ones. DW just has one level, so to speak. |
wrong again.. DW has 3 lines of drums, one priced high, one priced medium, and one priced fairly low.
However, I no longer see that they make the middle line drums. These were similar to the collectors series drums, but they didnt have the reinforced wood hoops inside the shells, and some other small differences. Then they have their pacific line. |
Hi, I'm a newbie here, just found the site. As a quick reference to this, Pacific has become DW's new mid to low line of drums. right now my two kits consist of a 1961(0?) George Way (which was Bought out by Camco, bought out by DW) and a Pacific Chameleon that I love. Both kits are amazing. |
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AHAMAY081
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Joined: 31 Dec 2003
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Location: Gardnerville, NV
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| i hear arguments that DW's are just expensive as the other giants, but i don't see any evidence. where can we found out the truth? |
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frank
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Joined: 16 Feb 2004
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Location: Switzerland
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:43 am Post subject: |
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If you wanna have a nice collectors series dw kit (top of the line series)
and you don't have THAT much money, go for a finish-ply or satin-oil finish. They're the same shells, just the finish is different. Satin Oil, in my opinion, looks great and IF there's a difference in sound, I would say that a satin oil finish "sounds" better than laquer. Just given the fact that you dont have anything on your shell that COULD reduce the sustain.
I have bought a satin-oil set and it sounds better (to *my* ears) than anything else I have checked out. DW has just come up with some new type of finish called graphics. Check it out on their website dwdrums.com.
cheers and have fun
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holycow
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| holycrap each drum is hand painted!! |
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holycow
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| AHAMAY081 wrote: | | i hear arguments that DW's are just expensive as the other giants, but i don't see any evidence. where can we found out the truth? |
The arguement isn't that they are just as expensive, but rather they are more expensive, which just isn't true. If you take 5 shells, from the top 3 drum manufacturers, each from their "top of the line" series of drums, you wont see much of a cost difference. They are all right about 400-500$ for a normal tom/floor shell, and between 700-1000 for a kick shell.
a top of the line 5 piece kit from ANY top manufacterer, will cost you between 2,500 and 3,000 bucks. DW doesn't stand out in price if comparing it against something comperable. |
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