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jedi589
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2003 3:28 pm    Post subject: Adding cymbals Reply with quote
Right now in my kit I have only one crash, a Zildjian ZBT 16''. I'm about to buy a new crash to add to my set but I can't decide whether to go with a 14'' or an 18''. Which would sound best for general jazz, rock, pop, and country playing? I also can't choose between Zildjian K, A, and A Customs. Any suggestions?
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Saurencaerthai
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2003 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's my $00.02:

I would go for the middle ground and buy a 16" A Custom crash. I think it is a very versatile cymbal that can augment just about any setup. It speaks well without excess force, has a very clear tone, and I have little diffaculty riding and getting different tones out of it. It can come down very low, allowing for subtle hits, but by the same token, can give you a big, projecting sound when rocking out at full volume. I also feel it has alot more control than a good sum of the A's and some of the K's. I tell ya: the next crash I get is going to be this.
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jedi589
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2003 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If I go with a 16'' A Custom, won't that be too similar of a sound to by 16'' ZBT? I wan't something that will sound good, but DIFFERENT than my ZBT (which sounds suprisingly good), but I don't want to just replace the ZBT.
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wheresevo
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2003 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cymbal selection is such a personal choice. My suggestion is to record your attack (if you haven't already) from the audience side of your kit, then listen and see what's missing. Perhaps you could borrow a cymbal similar to the one you think would fill the bill (music stores, pawn shops, other drummers, yada yada might accomodate) and try/record it. Personally, I exclusively use vintage Zildjian and carry a range of rides and crashes to match/compliment the venue's acoustics. Besides my 18" medium crash, I usually found that a med-thin 16" and a heavy 16" and a thin 14" (not to mention a splash or china or two) fit most applications. Above all, don't be hasty in your purchase - as you've found with your current crash - they can become lifelong friends.
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Saurencaerthai
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2003 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jedi589 wrote:
If I go with a 16'' A Custom, won't that be too similar of a sound to by 16'' ZBT? I wan't something that will sound good, but DIFFERENT than my ZBT (which sounds suprisingly good), but I don't want to just replace the ZBT.


If you get a 16" A custom, it will sound WORLDS better than your ZBT. Basically, it won't sound the same on a few counts:
1. The A Custom is made from what is known as the B20 bronze mixture, which has roughly 20% tin, 80% copper, and traces of silver in the mixture. These cymbals are cast from a hunk of bronze, (IE, Rolled, hammered, lathed, and so on), whereas the ZBT is made from B8 (8% tin, 92% copper) bronze, a much softer metal. These are made by taking sheets of the material and stampting out a disk, then pressing the bell in, hammering it, than lathing it. Just the difference in metals will make a difference.

2. The mere fact that it is a different cymbal from a different line will make a difference. Because no two cymbals have the exact same crystaline structure in the metal, they cannot resonate exactly the same. Their pitch centers will be different.

3. (I believe) The A Custom crash is a bit thinner than the ZBT, so it responds quicker and projects better. As well, it can have some nice dark undertones while retaining some bright overtones.

Hope this helps!
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