Double Pedal choice..again..

Rhys Sinclair · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Double Pedal choice..again..

Ok, I know that there's over 9000 threads about double pedal choice, but oh well.

Ultimately - looking for a double pedal (dur). I'm thinking between the Eliminator, DW5000 or 9000 or the PDP BOA system. My style is well, I hit with lots of power, and I can go to around speeds of 150BPM. I'm used to playing on a DW5000, but basically the power I use meant that I *Golly Gee* up the slave pedal. Not bad but it doesnt respond as well as the master pedal now. I basically need to know more about these pedals as websites..kind of suck. The BOA system i'm rather interested in but i've no clue of the price (somewhere said £500 =/) or who its made for. Any help please? My bank is gonna be somewhere around £250-300.
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tylerdrummer · Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject:

im not good with numbers here, so the money i cant help, but for i would go with the eliminators, because the dw pedals sre usually pretty vertical, and is harder then the flat board pedal like the eliminators, and if you really want it that high,(which the height for me can slow down my feet) you can switch it. They also have the cams white black blue red yellow purple, and they have all really good traits for all kinds of double bass work, and the quad beaters, help with the sound and others.
in the end, the other pedals are great, but the eliminators have soo many choices to choose from that really if you wanted to, you could change the accesories (like i did for the first month, to see whta i liked) and firgure out whats best for you.
last, even if you say you want the red cams one song at a concert, then another song later you need that foot on a cloud feel you could switch to the white cam as the guitars are tuning or the singers pumping up the crowd because it is easy and quick to do

just my thoughts

mellodge · Tadpole Joined: 12 May 2008 Posts: 17 Location: uk

What ever you do, if you happen to come across it. Stay clear of the mapex JANUS peddle.

I payed top whack for it when it first came out, it was supposed to be the next big thing..Oh it had all the hall marks of a top peddle, slick comfortable,nice looking ,and loads of bits and bobs to customize your set up... But. the build quality is ,to put it mildly, rubbish.

I so wish I'd gone with another peddle. Not suprisingly you can get a janus for half the price I payed today.
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Rhys Sinclair · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject:

Thanks alot guys. And Yeah, I knew to stick clear of Janus, I had a few bad experiences with them myself. Hell, I hate Mapex pedals in general Razz

I ended up buying the eliminators. All round they were more balanced then the 5000's, I found that with the 5000's speed+power was easily achieved, but the eliminators had a good balance of speed, power and sensitivity.

But i'm having one HUGE problem with them which is getting on my nerves. The left pedal is NOWHERE near as responsive as the right pedal. If I pull the right beater back it'll bounce for a good 15 seconds but the left one flaps out after like, 5. I know it's something to do with the pedal, because when I take away the slave pedal and bar, both beaters act perfectly. It's when I hook everything up it goes wrong. I'm beggining to think that it might be purely because of the extra weight having a metal bar attached gives. It majorly hinders high-speed playing, because the right pedal has all the perfect response and the left pedal is..dead. Any thoughts?
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tylerdrummer · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject:

congradulations with the purchase, i cant say this is the problem but if you look at the left side of the pedal(the slave pedal and bar) you have the part that rotates the bar/pedal together(the placement) or the joint that lets you move the pedal which ever way you want, which slows it down because you have to get the force past the joint, and the hard truth of double pedals, (you have the bar on the right pedal, that connects to the connector that connects to the left bar) and the farther out the pedal is, the harder it is to have the power go from all the way across 4 feet then it is to go 8 inches.
that could be the problem if you could even understand what i was saying because its very hard to explain with out a pic and numbers.
but an easier more common problem could be your spring tension in the left pedal, because i listened to the guy at GC and he said he bought it and used the spring tension when it was setup(which is perfect cause you dont have to beat the hell out of the pedal to get it to do fast strokes, but its not like trying to ride on a crash thats way to loose, or where you have no control) and i havent had any problems with the pedal for the 2 1/2 yrs ive had it

goodluck,
any other things ill try to help

kuniggety · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:30 am Post subject:

It just sounds like spring tension to me... which tyler already suggested.
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tylerdrummer · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:23 am Post subject:

with another page and a half Smile

Rhys Sinclair · Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:54 am Post subject:

The spring tension is fine, I think it was an issue with the way the bar reduces the energy, the only thing is that I never experienced it with the DW5000's. I've started putting the bar shorter but there is still a tiny bit of drag, but it's hardly noticeable. Thanks alot for the help!
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Bish · King of the Jungle Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 1861

Have you checked the "U" joints?

Maybe they are binding up?
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shiloh · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:56 am Post subject:

I just received my Gibraltar 9611 direct drive double, actually very impressed with the overall peformance, but as with Rhys, the left(slave) laggs slightly. This is most likely due to the extra mass it is required to move, the right pedal is lightening fast almost as good as my buddies 9002 DW. I evan notice a slight lagg with his slave as well.
I think it is set up and adjustment to fine tune it to as best as possible than just practice to get used to it, as with most things time and practice makes... perfect!?!
I know you`ll end up love`n your pedal, pearl eliminators are awesome, I know `bause I have one, I only bought the gibraltar because I needed a second for my practise kit, and I had a limited budget.
Cheers, Rick Smile

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Rhys Sinclair · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject:

"U" joints?

Yeah..The DW 5000's I played on were like, fine-tuned because the user had been using the particular pedals for years and years. It's quite funny because he (and I) always hated Iron Cobra's and thought they were wayyy too over-rated, then a few days ago he called me up and said he tried a pair that his new drummer used and they were absolutely amazing. I've tuned the pedals more over the month or so that i've had em, they feel a fair bit better now and require a different feel (totally) from what the 5000's needed, so It's also a switching thing. I love them alot more now, interestingly to note, I used a slightly higher-attack cam on the slave drive to compensate for the drag, so i'm not using the same cam on both drives.
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