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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRUMMERNUT wrote:
That doesn't look very sturdy Confused
BUT, it might work, who knows


I imagine that would be plenty sturdy, you don't need something huge for that. It's steel (I'm venturing to say that's a safe assumption, technicalities aside), so it's not like you'll break it, as long as the screws don't strip or loosen too easily.

I, however, would prefer to make the exact same thing with 50 cents and scrap metal, rather than pay $14.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doomanizer wrote:
Whats the proper height to set your throne when playing double bass? I've been playing at about 90 degrees, but my legs have been acting sporadically lately so today I set my cheapa$$ throne 1 notch heigher (so my legs are creating about a 100 degree angle) and it seems to have helped alot. My legs are much more consistant, etc. and the little extra height makes going around the kit easier as well! Its hard to explain but it does... Sitting at such an angle wont hurt my knees or anything right? I mean, they didn't hurt at all today...


Anything between 70-90 degrees is a great throne height and the safest for your body too.
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just wanted to see if there are any SPECIFIC excersizes (on and off the drumset) that i could do to get my double bass going real fast.

There is a perfect example of what im talking about in the song "Tulips Are Better" by Atreyu

listen to the song from 2:50 and on, you'll see the speed that i want to play at.
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres no way to just magically achieve higher speeds over night... just try pushing your limit little by little until you get where you need to be. its really the only "exercise" there is to accomplish this. make sure you can keep it together and not get sloppy before you try to step up the speed, because the faster you get, the more obvious your sloppiness will be.

it also may be some help to practice your double kicks on the floor any time youre sitting down. might help a little bit, might not. who knows.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, there's no magic or shortcut to increase your dbd speed. Practice and determination is most important. I have had a double kick since November 2005, and that time I was on the internet searching for secrets and stuff too. But then I realised the real secret is just to practice and be determined. I started to practice everyday since February 2006, and I have gone from 110bpm(16th) to now, which is at 132bpm(16th). I can play at 132bpm for 10 minutes straight. I reckon control is more important than speed. I recommend starting at a comfortable speed, then move up 1bpm each day.

I play heels up, and I don't use my quadraceps or my thighs. I try to use just my calves. I use ankle weights when practicing. It helps alot, and when you take it off, your feet feel so light! Working the left foot up is a hard one. I just went through all of my drum exercises with my left leg. And I try to use it as much as possible. I also practice parradidles with my legs.

RLRL RRLL LRLR LLRR RLRR LRLL RLRLRR LRLRLL RRRR LLLL

That is what I do for 5 minutes. After that, I play basic beats, with hi hat on 1 2 3 4, snare on 2 and 4, and a constant 16th bass drum going 1e+a2e+a3+ea4e+a.

Playing to a metronome is really good. I recommend playing to a metrnome whenever you're practicing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

malaphor wrote:
heres another one for you lot my secondary pedal on my double bass pedal keeps slipping aroud the floor do it makes it very diffucult to play. is there anyway of stopping the moving around or reduceing it? thanks all


Try putting some of that non-slip mat under it. I've had to do that on occasions, and it's worked a treat!
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Dorian
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WL-13 wrote:
Yeah, there's no magic or shortcut to increase your dbd speed. Practice and determination is most important. I have had a double kick since November 2005, and that time I was on the internet searching for secrets and stuff too. But then I realised the real secret is just to practice and be determined. I started to practice everyday since February 2006, and I have gone from 110bpm(16th) to now, which is at 132bpm(16th). I can play at 132bpm for 10 minutes straight. I reckon control is more important than speed. I recommend starting at a comfortable speed, then move up 1bpm each day.

I play heels up, and I don't use my quadraceps or my thighs. I try to use just my calves. I use ankle weights when practicing. It helps alot, and when you take it off, your feet feel so light! Working the left foot up is a hard one. I just went through all of my drum exercises with my left leg. And I try to use it as much as possible. I also practice parradidles with my legs.

RLRL RRLL LRLR LLRR RLRR LRLL RLRLRR LRLRLL RRRR LLLL

That is what I do for 5 minutes. After that, I play basic beats, with hi hat on 1 2 3 4, snare on 2 and 4, and a constant 16th bass drum going 1e+a2e+a3+ea4e+a.

Playing to a metronome is really good. I recommend playing to a metrnome whenever you're practicing.


Some really good points there WL-13. Consistency and control is really important. Practicing at a comfortable speed to start with is really important as it is for any musical instrument, from trombone to flute.

To add to that I've been playing paradiddles on my feet, bridging the hats and remote kick pedal with my left foot. With my hands I’m playing 16th doubles, singles, paradiddles (all inversions) as well as paradiddle-diddles and double paradiddles as 16th sextuplets over the kicking. I repeat the process for single stroked 16ths and double stroked 16th on the kick too.

I really like the sound of the sextuplets over the straight 16ths.

Another exercise I pull out on the odd occasion in gigs is – Single stroke 16ths on the kick, left led bridging the hats and kick pedal, play the Snare on 2 & 4 (4/4 time of course) while playing every 3rd 16th on a cowbell or china or something noisy!!!

e.g.
(1) e + (a) 2 e (+) a 3 (e) + a (4) e + (a) 1 e (+) a 2 (e) + a (3) e + (a) 4 e (+) a 1 (e) + a (2) e + (a) 3 e (+) a 4 (e) + a

It take 3 bars for the rhythms to resolve back to one… over and 8 bar phrase it sounds really great and the last two bars I start off as usual and adapt the last bar into a fill or start double kicking sextuplets (left lead – Single on left and double on the right still bridging left foot onto the hats) with a 32nd fill on beat 4 or somewhere near there.
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Dorian
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exzilibus wrote:
doomanizer wrote:
Whats the proper height to set your throne when playing double bass? I've been playing at about 90 degrees, but my legs have been acting sporadically lately so today I set my cheapa$$ throne 1 notch heigher (so my legs are creating about a 100 degree angle) and it seems to have helped alot. My legs are much more consistant, etc. and the little extra height makes going around the kit easier as well! Its hard to explain but it does... Sitting at such an angle wont hurt my knees or anything right? I mean, they didn't hurt at all today...


Anything between 70-90 degrees is a great throne height and the safest for your body too.


I've found personally any less than 90 degrees kills my back, as does any more than 120 degrees. Having watched many drummers I am inclined to say 95 - 100 degrees seems to be the average. Then you have players like Steve Smith who sit a little higher over their kit.

Perhaps, it's the old thing - What ever works for you!
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SketcHyRollin564
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i only read about half the first page, so somebody inform me if im repeating somthing, but anyways.

heres some things i would recomend:

first of all, use single pedal for a while to get comfortable with at and know many techniques, like one of my favorite , the slide technique. i have yet to apply it to my double pedaling cuz im just learning it with my left foot, but when im at a friends house or playing a gig with a single pedal set WOW does it help to know. not to mension, its fun and yep, comes in handy.

one of the first things you should do when you get your double pedal, is leave your hi hat stand closed, and play as you normaly do, and practice all your beats with your other foot. this will make playing with your weak foot a lot more comfortable and easyer. so, sure when you get them, play heavy double bassing dadadadadada joey jordison stuff if you want, for like half an hour, just to get the excitement and urge out, but really dont do that untill youve had them for like a week and can play normal stuff with your left foot.

another thing you should do right when you get your double pedals,
only play heel down. why? it seems like playing heel up is a lot easyer and comfortable when playing double bass. the only time i ever see my self playing heel down is when im playing single bass, so when you get them, for like two weeks, only play double bass with your heel down. correct me if im wrong, but i think this would probably help out a lot

another thing, practice singles, doubles, and parradiddles with your double bass, now that you have two "sticks" wrather than one. just as with your wrists, it will build your chops and increase your speed with your legs. practicing with a metronome isnt a bad idea either (good idea). and this would be an easy and fun thing to do if you lets say broke your arm and couldnt play drums for a while. this is when you simply practice your double bass.


also, dont just use double bass for heavy straight through 16th notes and really fast stuff, explore

triplets with the double bass sound in my opinion better sometimes, and less boring. use them for fills, acccents, one last thing... just like a splash cymbal.. dont overuse it.






anyways,i hope this helped some of you, happy drumming everyone!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

great stuff here like

just want to ask at what point or temp to your ankles start doing most of the work instead of your legs

any ideas on how to practise developing the ankles for double bass

ive been stuck @ about 110 - 115 bpm for about a year and i cant logically see how it is possible to develop beyond these tempos

cheers
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SketcHyRollin564 wrote:
triplets with the double bass sound in my opinion better sometimes, and less boring. use them for fills, acccents, one last thing... just like a splash cymbal.. dont overuse it.

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Ohh how true! splash cymbals add colour, don't abuse that colour, Red paintings are great and all, but try using other colours, not just shades.

I must agree starting heals down is highly advisable.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey guys,
sore awesome stuff here. i dnt have a dbp yet but i have been practising the slide tech etc on my single pedal. i dont know if this will mean anything to anyonem but i have been working n this and it sounds pretty sweet.. if you wanna check it out click this link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ZUPEgbzu0

its good old youtube...

thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

funki_chunki wrote:
i have been working n this and it sounds pretty sweet.. if you wanna check it out click this link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ZUPEgbzu0



that's a really creative solution to a popular sound goal. thanks for sharing!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought so too. it is just a bit hard to build up the speed but i guess when you get it it stayes with you.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im lefthanded so i got my ride on the left side right above my 1st tom...so i have the tom stands foot stoping the pedal from moving, but some times i got my jazz rig and thats just withotu my 1st tom so u do also put a weight infront of it,

my friend made a custom rig around his drum kit, kinda like a rollbar cause he's the marlon manson type guy, so he jumps on his set, but part of the rig is a smal pin that rams into the back of the slave pedal, kinda kool
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