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Eternal Cymbal Question, Cast vs. Sheet



 
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shaneohack
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:58 pm    Post subject: Eternal Cymbal Question, Cast vs. Sheet Reply with quote

I have some of both. I really like the cast Zildjian cymbals I have. I think if I had it to do all over again, I would have nothing but cast cymbals. The sound is SO much better. I currently have 14" ZXT Hi-Hats, 16"ZXT Medium Crash, 16" Thin A Crash, 20" ZXT Ride, 20" China Trash, and A 10" Wuhan Splash. Opinions, anyone? I am currently checking out new Hi-Hats. I may go with a 13" this time.
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Old-Marching-Snare
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 12:18 am    Post subject: Eternal Cymbal Question Reply with quote

Cool

Sounds like a great variety there -- several cymbals to utilize.

Perhaps you've read elsewhere that I have a different, singular goal with regards to drumming; however, I am fascinated with cymbals and would like to have a complete variety (such as yours) on a rack someday.

Right now I only have a mini-gong, the ZBT.

Can you tell me the sound and tonal differences from cast vs. sheet? I don't think I've read that here, yet, although Saurencaerthai has posted often of the element mixtures.


- Jim


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Saurencaerthai
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I had the ability to put the differences in sound into words better! I've found often that sheet bronze's reaction time is a bit slower than cast. As well, they sometimes have some low overtones I don't like. To me, even the signature lines such as Carmine Appice's china cymbals just don't have that "non-beginner line" sound that I like. I guess it's really just something you gotta find out by playing alot of both. I wish I could help more than that!
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shaneohack
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the only way I could describe the difference is to say that cast cymbals are always alittle different. What I mean by that is you could have any number of say, Zildjian 16" A Thin Crash and there will always be small differences between all of them. Sheet cymbals have a very uniform sound, no matter where you hit it, or how many you hit. They seem to have a gong qualility. You definitely miss some of the subtle nuance of hitting a cast cymbal in various ways.
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Old-Marching-Snare
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:00 am    Post subject: Gong Quality Reply with quote

shaneohack wrote:

What I mean by that is you could have any number of say, Zildjian 16" A Thin Crash and there will always be small differences between all of them.

Sheet cymbals have a very uniform sound, no matter where you hit it, or how many you hit. They seem to have a gong qualility. You definitely miss some of the subtle nuance of hitting a cast cymbal in various ways.


Cool

Interesting. So the sheet cymbals are sort of mass-produced and lower-end product? Yeah, I do not like the gong quality but I think it would work great outdoors. I think I want to find some splash cymbals of various tones that are quick decay, fast, a bit sour, and a nice bite. That might not make sense, but if you contrast it with glowing, beautiful, soft yet perpetual ringing -- those are effects I definitely don't want.


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