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krash
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:26 pm    Post subject: Acoustic Drums to V-Drums Reply with quote

I have a 5 piece Mapex set, and I'm trying to fiqure out a way to add drum triggers and deaden the sound of the acoustic without removing the head. I know I can use mesh heads, but because I need the V-drums while playing in my house but use the acoustic drums every week, It would be to hard to change heads every week. Do you think if I used a practice pad on top of the drum and either conected the trigger to it, or put the trigger on the head an made a cut out on the practice pad, it would work?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can keep the normal heads on it, trigger those, and fill all the drums with blankets or towels or whatever to completely muffle the sound. you can get the feel of a real head, but with no sound.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Acoustic Drums to V-Drums Reply with quote

krash wrote:
I have a 5 piece Mapex set, and I'm trying to fiqure out a way to add drum triggers and deaden the sound of the acoustic without removing the head. I know I can use mesh heads, but because I need the V-drums while playing in my house but use the acoustic drums every week, It would be to hard to change heads every week. Do you think if I used a practice pad on top of the drum and either conected the trigger to it, or put the trigger on the head an made a cut out on the practice pad, it would work?


Though I've never done it that way, I think you're on to something! So you're saying:
1) Get pads like these SoundOff's with a small area cut out so that a trigger could adhere to the drumhead.

2) Play the muffled drumset as usual while the vibrations are being picked up by the triggers.

Is that right?

Depending on the trigger you could adhere it to the underside of the batter head (inside the drum) and have the cable run out of the air hole. Playing without bottom heads would allow easier access to the trigger as well as keep things even more quiet.

I have used mesh heads with triggers, but not pads. The bass drum might be an issue, but I think your idea applied to the toms & snare wouldn't be a problem at all! The bass might not either, but I'm not sure! Depending on your drumset, you could trigger one of these:

But if any toms mounted on your bass, that wouldn't work.

Try it out! Let us know how you do! I'm really curious.
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krash
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DjembeDog, that's exacly what I'm thinking, it will be a couple months untill I can aford everything (triggers, modual, pads) but I'm deffinatly gonna try it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That seems like a good idea, but the triggers will probably not pick up the vibrations of the pads very well on quieter notes or buzz rolls.
Another laborious option might be to put the mesh heads with triggers on one side and regular heads on the other. This would involve resetting your tom mounts every time and you might have to convert your floor tom to a hanging tom. You would also need a second snare.
Honestly, I think the easiest way to go would be to buy an inexpensive electronic kit or buy a really cheap second acoustic set (like a Pearl Rhythm Traveler which already comes with mesh heads) because if its triggered it doesn't really matter what the shells sound like.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with tamadeals, and about the rhythm traveler I have tried one and they are excellent for the money and excellent for quiet practice.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone has any links to sites that teach you how to trigger up the whole set? i have a rhythm traveller... would it be costly?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nkf31
It's actually pretty self-explanatory. Just attach a trigger to each drum using a standard drum key, then run a cable from each trigger to the appropriate trigger inputs on the back of whichever sound module you are using. Then run cables from the outputs of the sound module to an amp and speakers. Beyond that, it is just a matter of assigning the appropriate sounds to each trigger. The big expenses are going to be the sound module and whatever sound system you use to hear it through. Probably the cheapest way to go would be a Roland TD3 module and a pair of headphones.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would this be a good module?
http://www.alesis.com/products/dm5/index.html

Any good triggers to recommend? Are there really any differences between different triggers? And how about cymbals and the bass drum?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the Alesis stuff is pretty commonly used. And yes there is a difference in triggers. Do NOT buy the little stick-on type. Roland started making some triggers last year which work well. The Ddrum triggers are the industry standard though. It is what all the pros use. Not the Ddrum Hotshots, that is their cheap version. Although they are better than the Pintechs. The top of the line Roland cymbals are definately the best cymbal pads on the market.
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